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xina

17-10-2009, 03:50 PM

Hi guys,
Did Ron keep the Crucifix, or did he throw the catfish back? It would have been a good sized one. [The Crucifix that is.]
Cheers,
xina.

xina

17-10-2009, 03:53 PM

Thanks for the Pics. Kingchevy,
Cheers, xina

Scorcher

17-10-2009, 05:57 PM

Whats this spot thing you guys are going on about???

Kingchevy,

Just to bump this up, and give everybody a direct link to it...

http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0ogVtSIOlxhsslzrb6y6fVcfqxQXIzn BM

Click on this, and you will be able to track Ant's movements (except for those places where it is strategically turned off !)

Cheers

Scorcher

campdog

18-10-2009, 06:34 AM

A quick check of "Spot", shows that our intrepid travellers have hit Weipa, moved up to the Pennifather River for a short rest, then moved on towards Stoney's Crossing on the Wenlock.

Things have gone quiet for the past few day's though......perhaps Ant's "Secret Spot" Campdog??

This "Spot" system seems to have great applications for those on the road, to keep loved ones (or just general busy bodies like me :) ) informed of general movements.

They should be a manditory item for anybody doing walking treks into the Blue Mountains, Kayak'ers etc, so that emergency services can easily track missing people.

Scorcher
Pretty obvious isnt it Scorcher, gone quiet near stones crossing and wenlock river. Secret spot for sure.
John

campdog

18-10-2009, 06:49 AM

Glad to see everyone is having a great time.Looks like a lot of fun.would love to have been there with my camera.
Hopefully next year for sure.
John

Scorcher

18-10-2009, 09:45 AM

Pretty obvious isnt it Scorcher, gone quiet near stones crossing and wenlock river. Secret spot for sure.
John

Yes John, a quick "Google Earth" check will sort that fella out...ha ha ha.

Did you get to go out & camp on your favourite river over the long weekend?

Cheers

Scorcher

geoffjy

18-10-2009, 10:20 AM

Scorcher

18-10-2009, 10:46 AM

Just had a look at the Spot website and it doesnt seem to show a track into the Pennefarther.

Its was quite interesting as well when we got to Merluna. Plenty of pigs around ad they even come right up into your camp at night. There were even a few stories about the wild white man of Merluna. ;)

Geoff,

Yes, it appeas that "Spot" does have some limitations relating to the "minor" tracks. It also doesn't seem to have the ability to store any more than a set number of location points, or perhaps it is limited to storing for a certain number of days....not sure.

I'd be guessing that the "Wild White Man of Meluna" was just Ant bare foot & dressed up with his cloth around his face, after a few drinks... :D

Scorcher

geoffjy

18-10-2009, 11:32 AM

I'd be guessing that the "Wild White Man of Meluna" was just Ant bare foot & dressed up with his cloth around his face, after a few drinks... :D

Scorcher

Not even close Scorcher. Its best the other guys explain. It was quite fun really. And effective.

loxsmith

18-10-2009, 09:12 PM

Back a little early, but that's another story!!!!!

So where is this journey up to?? I see Nedly has done some personal damage. How did he manage such a feet??

geoffjy

18-10-2009, 09:17 PM

Back a little early, but that's another story!!!!!

So where is this journey up to?? I see Nedly has done some personal damage. How did he manage such a feet??

He did it at the Pennefarther whie fishing from the rocks. Made a wrong step and heard a snap. The following 2 days he walked/limped around on it before going to a hospital to get it checked.

Hi guys,
Did Ron keep the Crucifix, or did he throw the catfish back? It would have been a good sized one. [The Crucifix that is.]
Cheers,
xina.

I was surprised. Its the biggest catty i have seen up here before. He was released but i agree with you xina. It would have been a great crucifix.

batesy

19-10-2009, 07:36 AM

This is great fellas.

I hope you are grabbing some video footage too. Could be a ton of stuff to throw up on youtube for all of us to have a look at. Cape York movie stars in action.

I tell ya what though, there's a few rough nuts in that crowd ... and who the hell costumed up that fella with the gammy foot? Yellow Crocs, Nedly?!!

See, that's proof that driving a bloody Nissan will rob a man of any self-respect. ;)

Enjoy the rest of the trip everyone.

Hey, Ant, hope the stress has faded a little for you.

loxsmith

19-10-2009, 03:16 PM

He did it at the Pennefarther whie fishing from the rocks. Made a wrong step and heard a snap. The following 2 days he walked/limped around on it before going to a hospital to get it checked.

I was surprised. Its the biggest catty i have seen up here before. He was released but i agree with you xina. It would have been a great crucifix.
First he snaps the Nissan chassis in half, then his leg, be careful Nedly. What's next???
Poor bugger, that's the last thing you need on a long trip! The upside is that with the wife driving you are free to drink all day. Hope the alcohol is killing the pain mate.

Please explain to a non fisher type person what a crucifix is???

geoffjy

19-10-2009, 03:44 PM

In catfish, there is a bone in the head that resembles jesus nailed to the cross. This is commonly known as a crucifix.

xina

19-10-2009, 08:07 PM

Don't know about recent editions, but Grants' Book of Australian Fishes used to have a good photo of one. Souvenier shops sell them in Cairns and Cooktown, or they used to 20 odd years ago.
Cheers,
xina.

geoffjy

19-10-2009, 09:17 PM

Here is a link to a website that has a pic of a crucifix from a catfish. http://www.lafishmag.com/CrucifixFish.html

loxsmith

20-10-2009, 04:50 PM

You learn something new every day!

campdog

21-10-2009, 08:16 PM

Yes John, a quick "Google Earth" check will sort that fella out...ha ha ha.

Did you get to go out & camp on your favourite river over the long weekend?

Cheers

Scorcher

Certainly did and paid the property owner his usual camping fees.2 days of rain.Had a ball though and had the river to ourselves.
John

Scorcher

21-10-2009, 10:39 PM

Campdog,

I see via "Spot" that Ant & the boys have spent a day or 2 at our favourite place - Vrilya Point, and now b-lined it for Weipa.

The boys & I got together for a chat tonight to start planning our Cape Trip for next year. Bathurst Bay, Skardon River, Vrilya Point & the Tip are all on the agenda. Might even set up camp at Weipa for a few day's, and do a few day-trips out to Stoney's Crossing (or there-abouts ;) )

Cheers

Scorcher

geoffjy

25-10-2009, 12:00 PM

Well, Teabag and myself didnt wind up going to Cape Melville as the wind was doing some crazy stuff. We fished a couple of waterholes and the upper reaches of 2 rivers and caught a few barra. Teabag even got one on a gold bomber, which will be posted up for the benefit of our glorious editor just to show that gold bombers catch fish.

We met up with the rest of the group yesterday at Kalpowar then about lunchtime we left them to go to Cooktown. I must say, its really hard roughing it here, cold beers, fresh barra, cabin, cold beers, tv, air conditioning, cold beers, no dust and last but not least, cold beers.

The rest of the hoard should be arriving in Cooktown today and will have a few drinks together as this is the last night we will be together.

There have been a few problems with 2 of the vehicles on the trip but will cover this at a later date.

Anyway, i am off back to the beer fridge for a top up.

loxsmith

26-10-2009, 09:05 AM

Teabag

27-10-2009, 10:38 AM

Some pictures of the trip.....

The group at the start....
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o145/Teabag_album/CapeYorker%20Cape%20Trip%20Oct%2009/PA040002.jpg

First Princess Award goes to.......Guess who?
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o145/Teabag_album/CapeYorker%20Cape%20Trip%20Oct%2009/PA050024.jpg

First Barra for the trip, many where caught of this size.....
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o145/Teabag_album/CapeYorker%20Cape%20Trip%20Oct%2009/PA090038.jpg

Camp at Pennefarther......
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o145/Teabag_album/CapeYorker%20Cape%20Trip%20Oct%2009/PA090041.jpg

Teabag

27-10-2009, 10:39 AM

A few Submariners at work.......Stones Crossing.....
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o145/Teabag_album/CapeYorker%20Cape%20Trip%20Oct%2009/PA100050.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o145/Teabag_album/CapeYorker%20Cape%20Trip%20Oct%2009/PA100051.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o145/Teabag_album/CapeYorker%20Cape%20Trip%20Oct%2009/PA100052.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o145/Teabag_album/CapeYorker%20Cape%20Trip%20Oct%2009/PA100053.jpg

Teabag

27-10-2009, 10:41 AM

Hard at work......Ant and Ron.....
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o145/Teabag_album/CapeYorker%20Cape%20Trip%20Oct%2009/PA120070.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o145/Teabag_album/CapeYorker%20Cape%20Trip%20Oct%2009/PA120071.jpg

Teabag

27-10-2009, 10:42 AM

Gunshot..........Mmmmmmmmmmm

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o145/Teabag_album/CapeYorker%20Cape%20Trip%20Oct%2009/PA130081.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o145/Teabag_album/CapeYorker%20Cape%20Trip%20Oct%2009/PA130082.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o145/Teabag_album/CapeYorker%20Cape%20Trip%20Oct%2009/PA130085.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o145/Teabag_album/CapeYorker%20Cape%20Trip%20Oct%2009/PA130084.jpg

Teabag

27-10-2009, 10:44 AM

Tackling the easiest of the Gunshots.........

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o145/Teabag_album/CapeYorker%20Cape%20Trip%20Oct%2009/PA130094.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o145/Teabag_album/CapeYorker%20Cape%20Trip%20Oct%2009/PA130095.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o145/Teabag_album/CapeYorker%20Cape%20Trip%20Oct%2009/PA130096.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o145/Teabag_album/CapeYorker%20Cape%20Trip%20Oct%2009/PA130097.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o145/Teabag_album/CapeYorker%20Cape%20Trip%20Oct%2009/PA130098.jpg

Teabag

27-10-2009, 10:46 AM

Gunshot cont.....

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o145/Teabag_album/CapeYorker%20Cape%20Trip%20Oct%2009/PA130099.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o145/Teabag_album/CapeYorker%20Cape%20Trip%20Oct%2009/PA130100.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o145/Teabag_album/CapeYorker%20Cape%20Trip%20Oct%2009/PA130101.jpg

loxsmith

28-10-2009, 11:38 AM

The last SPOT trail finishes at Lions Den 2 days ago, does that mean they are trying to drink the place dry???

maverick01

30-10-2009, 11:22 AM

Well they tried but they forgot to turn it on going through the daintree and then it was given to allan to drop in on his way home

Brigalow

04-11-2009, 06:10 PM

Home again...and thank you gang for a really fantastic trip....

One magic night at Loyalty.:D

Brigalow

04-11-2009, 07:57 PM

Paul showing his students the finer points off fishing....and aint they a likely lookin bunch?

Brigalow

04-11-2009, 08:34 PM

From the top of Aussie...were else would you find a G'Day from Bat.
Secret place? next trip to Bat's.

xina

04-11-2009, 08:41 PM

Now that really does make me homesick.
Cheers,
xina.

Brigalow

04-11-2009, 08:51 PM

Who's ya daddy now???....thank god for Paul and the troopy.;)

Brigalow

04-11-2009, 08:55 PM

Now that really does make me homesick.
Cheers,
xina.

You should have been with us...we had seats to spare..and ya wouldna had to twist arms too hard for us to stray into Temple bay..."we is old hippies by heart" .it was a great crew and fantastic mentors.

xina

04-11-2009, 09:07 PM

With a little bit of luck, I'll be there next year Brigalow,
Cheers,
xina.

Brigalow

04-11-2009, 09:24 PM

With a little bit of luck, I'll be there next year Brigalow,
Cheers,
xina.

Keep that thought in your mind xina...almost heaven Seisia...

Brigalow

05-11-2009, 09:44 PM

Hmmm a little bit quite around the ridges here.....I thought with all the pictures taken on the "tagalong" there would have to be a swag more posted here...

Arrr well,just a little reminder of the great crew....:) :D

Nedly

10-11-2009, 04:34 PM

Just a quick note to let everyone know that I got the plaster cast safely to Brisbane.
Thankfully the boss was kind enough to make sure there was enough work for me on my return, MORE THAN ENOUGH.
Looks like I've got a bit of reading to do over the next few days, once I'm up to date I'll post some shots

Nedly

10-11-2009, 05:05 PM

Just been through and looked at the photos posted so far, some really nice ones there.
While I took a several hundred shots, my subjects were extremely limited due to mobility problems. Once I sit down and review them I'll post some that may be of interest.

Nedly

10-11-2009, 05:07 PM

It was good to catch up with Dingo at Seisia, though I was a bit surprised when he recognised me by the strapped leg and crutches.
He then informed me that there were some shots and comments on the site so identification was easy.

loxsmith

11-11-2009, 09:15 AM

Good to hear you are on the mend, all the best for a speedy recovery mate!

Glen

kingchevy

11-11-2009, 10:05 AM

Scorcher

12-11-2009, 07:23 PM

Has anybody heard from or seen our beloved leader "ANT" of late?

Perhaps he is lost somewhere in the Cape ??

Scorcher :confused:

loxsmith

12-11-2009, 07:38 PM

Has anybody heard from or seen our beloved leader "ANT" of late?

Perhaps he is lost somewhere in the Cape ??

Scorcher :confused:

Check SPOT he might have accidentally left it on.

A mate of mine lost one off a bike on the way to our Picnic Race met last weekend at Tabulum NSW. He got home, logged on, got the position and rode back out the next day and found it. A little the worse for wear but still working away! Can't beat that

Glen

Scorcher

12-11-2009, 10:11 PM

Check SPOT he might have accidentally left it on.

A mate of mine lost one off a bike on the way to our Picnic Race met last weekend at Tabulum NSW. He got home, logged on, got the position and rode back out the next day and found it. A little the worse for wear but still working away! Can't beat that

Glen

Glen,

I think I read somewhere that another Tag-a-long member bought SPOT back home to the dealer.

From memory Ant was planning on jumping on a houseboat at Weipa for a week or more following the tag-a-long. Perhaps the fish are on the bite :confused:

Scorcher

ant

13-11-2009, 11:33 AM

Hi all,
Forgive the short reply here as I have only just got back after spending over six weeks in the Cape and things are very hectic. The trailer is in the yard and hasn't even been unpacked yet. I am waiting until later this afternoon to do that so I can have a few beers......
The total trip was fantastic and involved the first 16 days with the Croc Crew on the Tag-A-Long. From there, I spent a week with Bat while I put the November edition of Fish and Boat together - that was fun!!
After that, I drove to Weipa and jumped on a houseboat for a week with a crew of six others. Following that, I headed back up to Pennefather for a few more days then went back to the 'Secret Spot' for a few more days before driving south to Cairns.

To the members of the Croc Crew Tag-A-Long, thank you so much for your company. I would like to think that the trip was a huge success and each and every one of you have contributed to its success. Les (Nedly), your work in getting this off the ground was a huge task and I cannot thank you enough. Chris, you must be congratulated for putting up with Les during this time as I can only imagine what he would have been like if he is anything like me when I get an idea in my head.
Ken (Blue), your company and attitude towards things was great and I am sure you had a top time.
Paul and Hanneke (Rocky): I really enjoyed my time with you, particularly at the secret spot where we pretty well spent most of the afternoon wading in the water and sinking the odd cold refreshment.
Paul (Teabag): Mate what can I say. You have all the right gear and are very well set up. Thanks for getting me out of the shit on the way into Pennefather. Yes, a Nissan had to pull me out of the sand!!!! And, on more than one occasion.
Geoff (Geoffjy): You give everything 110% and it certainly made the trip to see someone go in with all guns blazing at every opportunity.
Richard and John (Brigalow): You guys are great and it was a pleasure to have you on the trip. I hope that you managed to kick back and recharge the batteries and get ready for the next adventure.
Greg (Maverick01): I am sure you had a ball up there in your Nissan and can now say that you have done the Cape. Lets hope you make it back up again on another trip. Are you keen to do Maytown again??
Alan and Karen (Boxy):Your trip was certainly a 'tester' with some of the issues you had on your vehicle but I am sure that you are looking back on it positively. Well done on the crossing at Stones.
Ron (Mylo): You were the 'ultimate' passenger - thank you. My only concern was your antics at every water crossing!! There may be a front cover shot in there but I am not sure what magazine it would be for....

Anyway, time for a few pics.
1: Ken all ready for action at Mareeba.
2: The Croc Crew banner strung up between Geoff and Ants cars.
3: Brigalow all set up at Mareeba.
4: The Croc Crew all lined up and ready to depart Mareeba. I guess we made our neighbors happy when we all filed out.
5: Proof that Nedly was fighting fit at the start. Not sure about the crocs though!!

ant

13-11-2009, 11:40 AM

More pics....
1: Geoff's camp at Maytown.
2: Teabag and Geoff enjoying a cold beer. This was a rare shot.
3: Richard and John kicking back at Maytown.
4: Greg's camp at Maytown.
5: Paul and Hanneke set up at Maytown.

ant

13-11-2009, 11:45 AM

More.....
1: Les and Chris all set up at Maytown.
2: Alan and Karen with their camp at Maytown.
3: Freshwater croc below where some of us camped at Maytown.
4: Toyota Prado for sale. This was just north of the Hann River Roadhouse.
5: Paul and Karen in the middle of a serious water fight. Don't put your drinks down guys!!!!

ant

13-11-2009, 12:00 PM

more...
1: Teabag is a pool-shark. Merluna Station.
2: Les, John and Richard kicking back at Merluna.
3: The view from Pennefather.
4: Don't go messin' with Catfish Joe! Paul with yet another catfish at Pennefather lagoon.
5:The Tag-A-Long Croc Crew at Pennefather.

ant

13-11-2009, 12:05 PM

more....
1: Ken with his highly sought after award.
2: Every man (and woman) and his dog want to read the Cape Yorker. Stones Crossing.
3: Ron takes the prize off Paul with the mother of all catfish.
4: Ron up to his usual antics. He did this at every water crossing.
5: Gunshot. No more 'Chicken Run' here.

ant

13-11-2009, 12:09 PM

More....

1: Me trying to get creative.
2: And again....
3: Teabag was starting to get a little 'towy' during the trip. Watch out Geoff!!
4: Les still managed a smile. Frangipani Beach.
5: The Tag-A-Long crew at Frangipani Beach.

ant

13-11-2009, 12:09 PM

More...

1: The remaining crew at the tip. We just brought our own sign.
2: The crew at Loyalty beach one evening.
3: Geoff gets some air.
4: Paul gets a leg up.
5: Greg gets all crossed up.

ant

13-11-2009, 12:14 PM

Last one....for now.

Just to prove that I did catch fish. This was taken on a #7 weight flyrod off the beach at Pennefather.

Time for me to get back to work now.

kingchevy

14-11-2009, 06:48 AM

hahaha I love the one with my dog in it what a classic I can see the dog thinking what the hell are they doing???

Nedly

16-11-2009, 01:30 PM

Great shots Ant, bought back some good memories (damn, they're memories ALREADY :o )

Thanks for your comments in the first of these posts, I did enjoy putting it together, much appreciated.

maverick01

17-11-2009, 05:29 PM

Brigalow

17-11-2009, 06:41 PM

G'day Guys

Thanks everyone for everything and it was a trip i will defiantly not forget.

The answer is yes i would be keen to do maytown and the cape again Ant.

By the way Ant i have done up the videos and i just need to record you a copy so could you email me your postal address and i will get it in the post ASAP.

Ayyy buddie mate pal,good to hear your still up and about ...a big G'Day from me and the young bro.

I luv the Ant shot of your truck with the back wheel going side ways....:cool:
Yep,I am also waiting to hear from Ant...I still own him a few dollaros so if you hear from him first then drop me a line my friend.

Arrr in the words of Les,its all memories now...and good ones at that...
Keep safe Greg.

geoffjy

17-11-2009, 08:54 PM

Yep,I am also waiting to hear from Ant...I still own him a few dollaros so if you hear from him first then drop me a line my friend.

Ant is a bit snowed under at the moment. Try an email. No matter where he is generally his computer is not far away. :)

Brigalow

19-11-2009, 10:05 PM

Ant is a bit snowed under at the moment. Try an email. No matter where he is generally his computer is not far away. :)

Thanks mate will do....errr still no rain up your way yet???:cool:

geoffjy

20-11-2009, 05:53 PM

We had a couple of light showers. When i was down the coast the other day we had some westerlies come in for a couple of hours. The humidity is building at the moment and it feels like we are not far away from a storm. The temp in the shade atm is 34 degrees.

loxsmith

08-12-2009, 10:41 AM

Nedly

08-12-2009, 01:27 PM

Did all go well (apart from Nedly's rock kicking incident), any bogs, broken cars, drownings etc etc ?

Is anyone going to do a trip report or do we have to wait for the 2010 edition of Cape Yorker?

Glen

The trip went well, in general.
There were the usual things like:-
- Bent chassis
- Blown globes
- Incident with a tree
- Very tired fridge
- Failed Alternator
- Failed Starter motor
- Bogged in sand (mostly because of the trailer)
- Broken leg
- Battery problems

There were no drownings.

As for a trip report, I figured I'd leave that for others to do.
My report will (if accepted) be in the next edition of the mag.

You missed a great trip Glen.

loxsmith

08-12-2009, 02:27 PM

The trip went well, in general.
There were the usual things like:-
- Bent chassis
- Blown globes
- Incident with a tree
- Very tired fridge
- Failed Alternator
- Failed Starter motor
- Bogged in sand (mostly because of the trailer)
- Broken leg
- Battery problems

There were no drownings.

As for a trip report, I figured I'd leave that for others to do.
My report will (if accepted) be in the next edition of the mag.

You missed a great trip Glen.

The incident with a tree sounds interesting? They have been known to jump out in front of cars from time to time

No drownings? Nolans didn't claim anybody?

Yours is the third Nissan with that same Telstra service body fitted that I have heard of cracking in half. Lucky you caught it early.

I will have to order my 2010 edition soon then (haven't had time to read the 2009 mag yet)

The fitout of my new car is coming along nicely, cardboard boxes everywhere!

Glen

Nedly

10-12-2009, 01:14 PM

The incident with a tree sounds interesting? They have been known to jump out in front of cars from time to time

No drownings? Nolans didn't claim anybody?

Yours is the third Nissan with that same Telstra service body fitted that I have heard of cracking in half. Lucky you caught it early.

I will have to order my 2010 edition soon then (haven't had time to read the 2009 mag yet)

The fitout of my new car is coming along nicely, cardboard boxes everywhere!

Glen

The bent chassis I was referring to wasn't mine, one of the Rodeo's bent the chassis on the trip, had it repaired at Weipa.

I met a guy at Cooktown, had a later model of the Telstra truck fitted with leaf springs same as mine, he showed me what Nissan had done to the chassis at the place where mine had cracked.
Nissan had fitted a plate to the area to avoid cracking problems, which means this is a design fault known to Nissan.

I wonder if I send the bill to Nissan if they'll reimburse me the cost to have this problem fixed?
Probably not :(

loxsmith

10-12-2009, 01:43 PM

I wonder if I send the bill to Nissan if they'll reimburse me the cost to have this problem fixed?
Probably not :(

You will know Les that the squeaky wheel gets the oil!!

If you mention that you are considering reporting it as a safety issue to the ACCC for all the vehicles to be recalled you might get some immediate action. If they are aware of the fault and are do nothing about the existing vehicles then they are eligible for some major consequences from authorities.
Here is somewhere to start http://www.recalls.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/952401

Check out how many are already there!

Glen

Nedly

11-12-2009, 08:07 PM

You will know Les that the squeaky wheel gets the oil!!

If you mention that you are considering reporting it as a safety issue to the ACCC for all the vehicles to be recalled you might get some immediate action. If they are aware of the fault and are do nothing about the existing vehicles then they are eligible for some major consequences from authorities.
Here is somewhere to start http://www.recalls.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/952401

Check out how many are already there!

Glen

Hhhmmm, might be worth investigating.
Thanks for the heads up Glen.